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February 15, 2010

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I am a co-op enthusiast as well, but I am really not clear of what they are suggesting the benefits of being a public service co-op would be over being a public service operation. Oh. I guess the benefits are that the public services are releasing their responsibility for public service costs/pensions/national wage negotiations.

OK, but then I can't see much benefit from taking on the responsibilities which come from being a member of said co-operative. I wonder who they're intending will be prepared to take on these roles and how they're planning to make sure they understand what they'll be getting themselves into.

David Floyd

Well, the description 'dramatic powershift' to public sector workers is highly disingenuous. Co-operatives that are entirely dependent on state funding will have exactly the same power relationship to government that they had before - but with some added 'issues'.

If their funding comes direct from central government rather than going through local councils, the state will hold its power over them centrally rather than locally - particularly useful if local councils aren't run by the governing party.

If the new co-ops are delivering services on a contracted basis, rather than as part of the public sector, it will be easier for the state to just stop funding entirely when it feels like it.

And it will also be harder for unions to operate across loads of different organisations with no overall pay structure.

Mike Chitty

Co-ops and mutuals seem to work well when they are the product of the convergence of a set of values and objectives. They work less well when there is much divergence around values and politics. Or am I out of date?

Expecting groups of people to consistently and successfully transition from public sector service provider to effective coop is surely naive? And as previous commenters have pointed out there is no guarantee of improved service delivery anyway. Many bureaucracies are pretty efficient at turning policy into practice. Most of the problems lie with policy NOT practice.

unitybridge

Had the misfortune of listening to DC whilst getting lunch - the idea sounds so much better in our heads than in his hands. If this was a genuine strategy of decentralisation and freeing groups to work together great but within the existing framework of Westminster centric control and funding and dismembered public servants this is window dressing.

A policy that said - we will give a community (say 150,000 people) their cash within federal regional frameworks to do what they hell they want to organise their own education their own welfare and employment support to their own priorities - then maybe we woudl have some interest. This woudl allow somem real change and real empowerment - and maybe mistakes would be made but at leats tthey would our own mistakes! DC has no belief in empowerment or social enterprise beyond the cherry picking that may happen in the SE.

This is nothing more than a ruse to buy off public sector workers votes safe in the knowleldge that no-one will choose to do it. Then as pointed out above full scale privatisation for centrally issued contracts can commence.

Colin Ward uses the example of Keith Panton (essay Work and Surplus - cant find a weblink) - if the workers took over the car factory they would question what they do as well as how they do it. If public sector workers really took over service delivery I am sure they will not be allowed to stop the horrendous rules they impose to avoid paying homeless people benefits, to delay unneccessarily access to services, to place people in prisons just to become hardened criminals.

Putting people in real control of their own services would force change - just not the change DC and the Tories will allow!

Craig Dearden-Phillips

Rob, I share your politics-scepticism but there is a real problem in public services and, short of privatising them, something needs to be done. Apolitician like Osborne talking about social enterprise on the Today programme would have been uttely unheard of only a couple of years ago. If we think social business is right, it is the way forward and a Good Think, then political legitimation is surely a process it needs to and ought to go through. If we are to come of age, we have to also become part of political discourse, cringing through it sometimes is.

Rob Greenland

It's a good point Craig. Perhaps I do need to listen to Phillip Blond after all when he told me off on Twitter for what he saw as a negative piece.

We do need to engage with them, and, potentially, this announcement from the Tories (and the kick up the arse it should give the Labour and Co-operative movements)could be a real door-opener for social business.

Let's hope we can get beyond some of the nonesense of the biggest shift in power since the sell-off of Council housing. I accept I'm looking on the downside of all of this - but I sincerely believe that both politicians - and the social enterprise movement - need to start being a bit more realistic about what is and isn't possible. We also need to be realistic about the things that will get in the way of more social enterprises delivering services.

And of course, as a true social entrepreneur, I need to point to how things could be improved, and see the opportunities in this for me. If, as I imagine, not that many people will come forward to set up co-ops, what can I and others do to encourage some to do it? And how can we change the context social enterprises will work in - mind-numbing commissioning for example - so that they have a fighting chance of making things work in what is going to be a massively challenging few years for the UK.

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